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#14225491 Oct 11, 2019 at 12:16 AM · Edited 24 days ago
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RAID TIME:
Saturday 19.30 inv (20.00 start pulling). Optional: Sunday 19.30


LOOT SYSTEM:

We decided to use EPGP. All who want a loot should install:
I recommend to use github link:
https://github.com/Alumian/CEPGP-Retail/releases
or additional:
https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info25051-1.10.3.html#info

NOTE: EPGP WILL WORK WITH 99% UPTIME. BUT IN SOME RARE / UNCOMMON SITUATIONS WE CAN USE COUNCIL LOOT OVER EPGP


GUILD RANK SYSTEM:
Why we need rank system?
- Rank system defines who will be first invited to raid.

Guild Master
Officers / Class Leaders
Core raiders
Casual raiders
Members
Initiates

e.g.
Full raid and we need to decide who should have a place in raid:
If you have a "member" rank and some guy has a "raider" rank, most likely member will be replaced by raider.
exceptions: if we very need some specific class/role. Determined individually by situation.

So the highest rank gives you more chances to have a place in main raid static.

At the moment all players who were in prev. raids have a Casual raider rank.
You should have a full T1 to have a Core Raider rank. Or 6 T1 and two T2 items. exceptions for classes who don't need a tier like fury warriors then you should raid at least 3 months and take a part in 80% of raids (no matters in core raid or be online and waiting for place in raid)

Initiate and members who weren't in prev. raids should take a part in 4 raids to have a next guild rank. You should be just online in raid time (from start till end). And should be in location where raid is if there would be no places in raid. This way is also counts as raid.
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#14231812 Oct 20, 2019 at 02:18 PM
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Okay, some things I'd like to throw in there.

Can someone explain the way EPGP works exactly?
I wasn't there yesterday, because apparently members > raiders, and we lost Cyric because of how that system works.
I thought you could bid on items with the points you earned but we're still rolling on items now? What's the benefit of such a system then?

Also, you stay online on standby for the entire raid but you only get 50 EP? That's rather lame. Back in the day everyone who was online, be it in the raid or on standby, got the same amount because you know, that's fair.
You need more than 40 people to have a functioning guild. Saying 'screw you guys, better luck next time' to the ones who cannot join the raid because it's full is, like I said, lame.

And lastly, the core raider rank. You get it when you have enough epics. Okay, cool. But we're rolling on items. So if you're unlucky with your rolls you don't get the core raider rank even if you have attended the same amount of raids as people who do get that rank. Again, that doesn't seem really fair to me.
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#14232041 Oct 20, 2019 at 08:50 PM
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I believe there's a couple of misconceptions in your post.
1. People in the raid got 5 EP per boss +5 i believe for showing up on time and some bonuses. There was an additional 100 or so awarded to everyone raiding for the first time, so we can actually make the calculations work. This will be awarded the first time anyone raids. So you got/will get close to the full amount of the people spending consumables, repair costs, not to mention time.

2. We didn't lose Cyric because of how the system works, we lost him because he's friends with Lombardini who, after getting 2 epics that raid (weapon and dps ring) was upset he didn't get priority on yet another weapon and decided to make an issue of it and quit. *rolls eyes*. I understand the main issue was some roll from another raid, but the whole thing could've been handled with a bit of tact instead of throwing a tantrum AFTER getting items and spending some of his points (so obviously was lower prio).

3. There are still rolls involved whenever 2 people bid for an item while having the same amount of points. Since everyone started with exactly the same amount, it's natural that some of the top bidders will roll against each other - they have the same amount of points after all. This will become less often as we go on and people have a chance to spend their points.
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#14232407 Oct 21, 2019 at 10:42 AM · Edited 27 days ago
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#14231812 Cyndane wrote:

Okay, some things I'd like to throw in there.

Can someone explain the way EPGP works exactly?
I wasn't there yesterday, because apparently members > raiders, and we lost Cyric because of how that system works.
I thought you could bid on items with the points you earned but we're still rolling on items now? What's the benefit of such a system then?

Also, you stay online on standby for the entire raid but you only get 50 EP? That's rather lame. Back in the day everyone who was online, be it in the raid or on standby, got the same amount because you know, that's fair.
You need more than 40 people to have a functioning guild. Saying 'screw you guys, better luck next time' to the ones who cannot join the raid because it's full is, like I said, lame.

And lastly, the core raider rank. You get it when you have enough epics. Okay, cool. But we're rolling on items. So if you're unlucky with your rolls you don't get the core raider rank even if you have attended the same amount of raids as people who do get that rank. Again, that doesn't seem really fair to me.



+ to Barb. All is correct.
Cyric just quit because of Lombardini because he is a friend of Lombardini. The last one is crazy man who wanted all epics only to him. He took dps ring and Thunderstrike in that raid. Btw he took the Thunderstrike for FREE without any GP points! Thunderstrike is a shit weapon but it was better than his current weapon. Because he took a ring for GP points he had a less priority than Atomic and Stranky and all the same he wanted to change Thunderstrike to Bonereaver's Edge from Ragna and surely he had no chances to take this sword and he started a drama because of it and said that Atomic needs a sword for off spec but it's not a true. Atomic is a fury warrior, not a tank and never been a tank. In that raid he was in 1-hand fury build but it was only one time and only because I asked him to spec to 1h fury. Previously he played in 2H Arms/fury. After this raid he specked back to 2H fury Slam. Anyway DPS Fury/Arms is his main build with 2H or with 1H - does not matter. He is DPS warrior, not a tank.
And yes ! Slam 2H build is a PVE build. It's NOT a PVP.
Proof: https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/fury-warrior-dps-talents-builds-classic-wow
Anyway if Atomic didn't take that sword the second priority was for Stranky who also DPS warrior (they had equal EPGP priority and rolled. Atomic rolled higher than Stranky and won). So Lombardini can not took this sword in any cases.
After this Lombardini and Cyric left the guild.
We don't need such people in a guild. We need people who can understand that all of guild members will have epics and we need just to farm and wait. Someone early someone later but all raiders will have epics. And it can not be possible to give epics to all people at the same time. Anyway someone would be first, someone would be second, third, etc. Need to take it. There is no other way.

About loot system. As Barba said. We had an equal priority because of equal points of EP and GP. That's why we rolled.
E.g.
We all have 100 EP at start and 1 GP.
So our priority were 100 / 1 = 100.

When someone took the epic GP was added to him (e.g. ring with 20 GP).
After looting his priority can be count as 100 / 20 = 5. And other people who didn't loot have 100 / 1 = 100 priority.
So next time people who didn't loot will have more priority and they will take a loot.

We add EP points to people for coming in raid in time. To people who have alchemy elixirs, flasks. Who signed event on web site, etc.
And we add an GP for items. Any item cost a some points of GP. Also GP will be added for some offense like wipe raid or lack of alchemy, etc.

And your priority can be count as EP / GP
Loot winner is that one who has more priority.

We have 2 ways what to do with people with equal priority:
1) Roll (we did it in prev. raid)
2) Auction. E.g. items costs 5 GP and 2 guys have an equal priority. One of them says - I'll take it for 10 GP, second one says - I'll take it for 15 GP, etc.
So the winner will be that one who will bet more GP.

But this is not a finial decision about Auction. For now we using Roll system and we need to vote and decide with Officers about Auction system.

You should understand that we had only 1 raid with EPGP system and it was in test mode. We saw how it works and drew some conclusions.
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